I have some questions on the Zaydiyya

as salamu alaikum,

nope, they didnt curse the shaykhayn.

The matter of the jarudiyya is somewhat complex because there was much propaganda on this matter, the stance of the imams of the ahl al bayt is quite different.
Imam al-Mansur billah Abdullah Ibn Hamza alayhi salam has written on this topic how the jarudiyya proper are nothing else than zaydis and that much was lied about them.

So the stance of the Imam was that Jarudis = Zaydis and Zaydis = Jarudis.

Our brother al-Kazem al-Zaydi -may Allah protect him- has written on this subject too, in one place he said this:

وذلك أنّ كُتب المِلل والنّحل قد اضطربَت كثيراً في بيان حال الجاروديّة، فكان ذلك القيدُ في جعل الجاروديّةِ هي المتابعة لأهل البيت، بذلك البيان وذلك الاعتقاد الذي أصّله أهل البيت -عليهم السّلام- ، وبتوجيه عبارةٍ من أراد أن يعرف قول الجاروديّة الحقّة فلينظُر عقائد وأصول أئمّة العترَ

"The books on sects and creeds have shown great inconsistency in describing the position of the Jarudiyya. Therefore, this clarification was necessary to establish that the Jarudiyya are followers of Ahl al-Bayt, adhering to the teachings and beliefs established by Ahl al-Bayt—peace be upon them—in both word and creed. To truly understand the stance of the authentic Jarudiyya, one should examine the beliefs and foundational principles of the Imams of the Ahl al-Bayt."

If you hate them that is your believe but the ahl al bayt didnt curse them.

As for your opinion on the channel of the brother madhab ahl al bayt, where did he praise muawiya? im asking because that is not normal for a zaydi.

wa salamu alaikum wa rahmatullah

I may have gotten confused when he praised Aisha, Talha, and Zubayr.

Thank you for you information, I am Jarudi and everyone , especially the Waziris, thinks I’m trying to twelverise Zaydism.

As salamu alaikum,

It is great if you Are a jarudi.

Who do you mean when you say everyone?

There are no Waziris, that’s a term for people who made a coup against the imam yahya hamid al din, they established a very short lived counter imamat against hamid al din family. I don’t know if they ever had any divergence from mainstream zaydism but even if they did they are long gone.

I only found in 12er sources the claim that they exist and they are claimed to be a sect who doesn’t hold to certain theological positions of the jarudiyya.

The Madhab of the Ahl Al Bayt is clearly established and doesn’t depend on distorted 12er sources and propaganda.

The books of our Aimma are easily available.

If you claim to be jarudi you have to follow the ahl al bayt, if you want to mix zaydism with 12erism than know that the ahl al bayt is free from that.

That’s a nasiha.

Wa salamu alaikum

A group of Zaydis online call themselves Waziris, apparently they are followers of a man called Muḥammad bin Ibrāhīm Ibn al-Wazīr,. They believe I am a fake Zaydi trying to Twelverise Zaydism because I say Labayk Ya Husayn, Ya Ali, and view Abu Bakr, Umar, Muawiyah, etc, negatively.

As salamu alaikum,

Ok, wow didn’t know that people like that exist.

Sayyid Muhammad Ibn Ibrahim Ibn Al Wazir was a famous Zaydi Hadith Scholar, who was in some aspects closer to Sunnis. The Talafiyya count him as a Talafi Scholar but that is disputed by Zaydis.

I don’t know what this so called group holds as theological positions. But if they claim to adhere to Ibn al Wazir it seems like they are more inclined to Sunnism than Zaydism because Zaydis don’t subscribe themselves to their scholars. Especially not someone disputed like Ibn al Wazir.

As for Labayk Ya Husayn or Ali, this is not from the practice of the Ahl Al Bayt.

As for the Shaykhayn you can view them negatively but no cursing.

Wa salamu alaikum